Hasselblad CF vs Hasselblad ZV

78833

做了一個比較,是Hasselblad CF鏡和ZV.
全部同一光圈和快門. 由RAW直出JPEG.
看看有什麼分別.

鏡頭: CF-50mm FLE, 120mm, 180mm
          ZV-50mm,120mm,180mm

78833

Camera: H4D-50 with CF Adaptor.

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CF 50MM f4-1/60

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ZV 50MM f4-1/60

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CF 120mm f4-1/60

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ZV120MM f4-1/60

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CF180MM f4-1/60

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ZV180MM f4-1/60

hksdu

;onion20;  ;onion20;

Jesse

返去用iMac細細比較

Jesse

CF lenses more warm tone ;request;

gogoav

我都唔明點解 zeiss 要出 ZV

枝 50 又冇 FLE......

issa918

ZV 50 has FLE, and automatic coupled.

derekhsu

Excellent Ching.

Action speak louder than words............

no more bluffing member could say anything about DB demonstation.


;onion20;

michael1015

係喎，點解咁得嘅  ;request;

adidas

Quote ( issa918 )

ZV 50 has FLE, and automatic coupled.

ZV 50 is a CF 50 FLE with FLE set to infinity.

CFE

I preferred ZV.   ;022;

CF looked very soft and blurred. And vignetting is quite pronounce in 50mm. ;onion13;

Jesse

兩支50mm都有紫边
120mm ZV解像度高些
180mm 兩支解像度差不多
ZV鏡景深好似多些?

issa918

Oh, i always think it's built in coupled like my F 50/2.8....what point not to make it coupled... ;onion2;

wk7leung

I presume the fountain was in the shade and 78833 had used a color meter to set the white balance of his H4D. I also presume that no filters had been used on the lenses.
Under these circumstances, it is more realistic to have a cold tone reproduced in the shots. If such had been the case, the ZV is more accurate in capturing the color tone of the scene.
Without knowledge of the scene, it is difficult to make judgement whether it is the CF lens that can reproduce the scene more faithfully or the ZV lens. I think 78833 is in the best position to make such a comment.
As regards definition, I can't tell the difference.
Pete

wysswong

cf 180 都已經算係hasselblad 鏡中最sharp 既一支, 同現代zv 比較真係差唔多.

不過zv50 真係比cf 50 sharp. hasselblad 既50/80/150 印象中都係比較soft. 60/100/180 就比較硬朗.

interesting to see warmer tone on CF lens


最差最估唔到係zv 都一樣有咁勁既紫邊.

NCP

Looking at #1 already made me want to drool  ;022;  ;022;

dh555

QUOTE: 色好似咁淡.........


玩 Hasselblad DB 我地叫 RAW 直出:
不準拉 curve, 不準 retouch, 不準執相.
只用 STD profile.

曾說過, 除非出 commercial 稿才要按客人口味 和 執走 Model 前一晚玩通宵蒼蒼.

DB 唔同 DSLR或 L  記.

去過現場永遠找唔到相片中 情境.

睇慣味精相要重新學過睇相

hksdu

;onion20;  ;onion20; very true...

78833

多謝各位Ching意見.造這比較是想看看現代鏡(ZV)的表現.
CF鏡是一直心中有數,菲林和數碼是比較warm tone.
120/180忘記除去filter,其余都無用filter.
二支50mm有紫邊我也出其,有可能光源來自右邊,加上lens hood短.
同時在軟件-Phocus沒有set好.
全部都用color meter set好kelvin number (5500度)
120mm和180mm都是好sharp好detail的鏡.
Hasselblad的50/80/150係早期用鏡人必備.
但我個人取向是60/100/180,夠sharp,易控制.
ZV頗適合在數碼,有機會看看在菲林表現.
正如Jesse講,Hasselblad支支鏡都正,唔需要靠乜飛物飛.
我地都係哈仔擁躉. ;022;

kwwong

ZV頗適合在數碼 ;onion20;  ;onion20;  ;onion20;

dh555

紫邊...

只是因為石邊柱后背光兼條柱是淺色才特顯現紫邊.

反而我會問師兄右手邊2大粒墨 shit未清理.

紫邊以 crop 1.1 CCD sensor 數是少.
想當年 L記 DMR 直情不能接受.

所有 DSLR 用 CMOS + AA filter 只因 soften 左所有資料咪好似好正.

但 Hasselblad CCD Sensor mutli layer captured detail 於原檔才是驚人.

反而我問師兄於 Phocus 內手動 DAC 設定是否對應了:
1) lens Type;
2) Aperture setting;
3) Distance setting.
之後既現像.

另外, 也要留應是否用了 CF Adaptor 之后 H 機仍有 Mirror lock up.

因為 1/60 sec exposure 所帶出震動 也影響到 也影響到 RGB 投射到 CCD precison.  因為 DB已經是 等於 軍用級光學設備.

所以有好多人買了 DB 不等於識用.

比錢買野 show off 不如玩 L 記直接的.
;onion9;

dh555

Hasselblad 是唯一一間廠中片幅廠擁有所有歷代:

C, CF, CFE, ZV 智識產權和 HW/SW 開發經驗.
暫時, 她是唯一一間廠可以在 RAW Level 解决 紫邊問題而不會減少 RAW Details 資料.

;022;

wk7leung

78833, interesting comparison and, pedagogically speaking, educational knowing how different people examine the pros and cons of a piece of gear from the images it produced.
Interested in seeing how the ZV lenses work in good daylight conditions. Is it possible to show a few shots for that for viewing? Of course, the best is there're CF shots of similar settings for cross comparison.
Forget it if you are busy. No hard feeling.
Pete

wysswong

我覺得數碼直出好多時都會過淡無生氣.
如果唔執, 寧願用菲林之後scan.