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發表於 2005-12-4 07:16:52 |顯示全部樓層
EricMoMo wrote: <BR> 買 SA3.4 真的不會有後悔!!!
<BR> 睇見你輯 "好味 SA" 就知啦,咁鬼正~ 8D
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franky wrote: <BR> [quote]互助勇 wrote: <BR> [quote]franky wrote: <BR> [quote]speeder wrote: <BR> What is the market price for MINT a M21/3.4 SA?  Thanks.
<BR>  <BR> 有人心動啦.......留意21/3.4SA不能測光, 用時比較麻煩~~ [/quote] <BR>  <BR> F***若是M5可用版的可以測光嗎? [/quote] <BR>  <BR> 我沒有M5.........好像是可用(可以裝上M5)但是不能測光 (手頭上資料是這樣: Begining with serial no. 2,473,251, the lens was modified for use with the Leica M5 and the CL, but without the possibilty of TTL exposure control.) [/quote] <BR>  <BR> 謝謝F****的解說.
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發表於 2005-12-4 10:24:35 |顯示全部樓層
hay wrote: <BR> [quote]EricMoMo wrote: <BR> 買 SA3.4 真的不會有後悔!!!
<BR> 睇見你輯 "好味 SA" 就知啦,咁鬼正~ 8D [/quote] <BR>  <BR> 謝謝 hay 叔! <BR>  <BR> 亦謝謝 Franky 大大的測試!!
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發表於 2005-12-5 14:45:00 |顯示全部樓層
21SA 真是名不虛傳, Franky 大大這支 Like New 的 21SA 更是令人心動. 連一[$#20010] Like New 21 View, Hood 等要兩萬大元, [$#21364]真令人止步:~)
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發表於 2005-12-5 18:38:05 |顯示全部樓層
You mean mint lens + metal finder + hood &gt; HK$20k ? <BR>  <BR> Oh my god... nearly can buy new 21 ASPH..
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發表於 2005-12-5 18:48:21 |顯示全部樓層
odyss wrote: <BR> You mean mint lens + metal finder + hood &gt; HK$20k ? <BR>  <BR> Oh my god... nearly can buy new 21 ASPH..
<BR>  <BR> over the price of 21ASPH
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發表於 2005-12-5 23:45:53 |顯示全部樓層
睇完相, 真係有d後悔賣左支SA俾franky大大添~~~~
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xyz_ps wrote: <BR> 睇完相, 真係有d後悔賣左支SA俾franky大大添~~~~
<BR>  <BR> 走寶啦
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互助勇 wrote: <BR> [quote]franky wrote: <BR> [quote]speeder wrote: <BR> What is the market price for MINT a M21/3.4 SA?  Thanks.
<BR>  <BR> 有人心動啦.......留意21/3.4SA不能測光, 用時比較麻煩~~ [/quote] <BR>  <BR> F***若是M5可用版的可以測光嗎? [/quote] <BR>  <BR> 應該唔得.因為SA不是retrofocus 設計,後鏡片伸入機內,M5個測光體可能撞到後組也.(我無sa,睇書書係唔話)
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發表於 2005-12-11 00:25:29 |顯示全部樓層
21 Biogon收了光圈也不錯的,未必會輸比21SA <BR>
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發表於 2005-12-11 08:47:08 |顯示全部樓層
The performance of SA 21/3.4 and Biogon 21/4.5 - both are very good.
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發表於 2005-12-11 16:10:25 |顯示全部樓層
21SA真的很正.冇得FERIGHT. 但可冇測光. 但有測光表就可以了. 相信大家都有吧.
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發表於 2005-12-13 01:00:36 |顯示全部樓層
khng wrote: <BR> The performance of SA 21/3.4 and Biogon 21/4.5 - both are very good.
<BR>  <BR> Agree! 仲好過 M21/2.8 asph 和 pre-Asph.  新不如舊,無理由!
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chrischung wrote: <BR> [quote]khng wrote: <BR> The performance of SA 21/3.4 and Biogon 21/4.5 - both are very good.
<BR>  <BR> Agree! 仲好過 M21/2.8 asph 和 pre-Asph.  新不如舊,無理由! [/quote] <BR>  <BR> but 鐵証如山 <BR> hahaha
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發表於 2005-12-13 08:56:29 |顯示全部樓層
chrischung wrote: <BR> [quote]khng wrote: <BR> The performance of SA 21/3.4 and Biogon 21/4.5 - both are very good.
<BR>  <BR> Agree! 仲好過 M21/2.8 asph 和 pre-Asph.  新不如舊,無理由! [/quote] <BR>  <BR> 相信不是設計問題, 現今所有鏡頭都是由電腦設計但大家忽略現代及古老的鏡頭在鏡片的質素, 現今鏡片都是用環保或膠片所造而比舊鏡之鏡片全是真材實料是有所差別.
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發表於 2005-12-13 09:35:01 |顯示全部樓層
khng wrote: <BR> [quote]chrischung wrote: <BR> [quote]khng wrote: <BR> The performance of SA 21/3.4 and Biogon 21/4.5 - both are very good.
<BR>  <BR> Agree! 仲好過 M21/2.8 asph 和 pre-Asph.  新不如舊,無理由! [/quote] <BR>  <BR> 相信不是設計問題, 現今所有鏡頭都是由電腦設計但大家忽略現代及古老的鏡頭在鏡片的質素, 現今鏡片都是用環保或膠片所造而比舊鏡之鏡片全是真材實料是有所差別. [/quote] <BR>  <BR> 絕對是設計問題, 現代電腦設計是如何找個低成[$#22834]能用次一等的材料而達到"similar performance"方案. 前人很蠢:  "price no object"~~
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發表於 2005-12-13 11:51:44 |顯示全部樓層
Franky, <BR>  <BR> From the samples the SA is clearly at least as good as the ASPH and I wish I had one.  I don't mean to challenge your test but nevertheless would like to see it done again this time on a tripod perfectly leveled and with a manual body hand metered for all lenses.  I have used the SA, ASPH, pre-A, f.4.5 Biogon and feel the test isn't exactly fair because the exposures were not the same.  For example the silver and black ASPH were at least one stop off from each other and the Biogon is just too dark.  I am also interested to see how the lenses do up close maybe with the subject 10 to 20 feet away.   <BR>  <BR> Let me know how I can help.  I have the ASPH and the tripod... <BR>  <BR> Regards, Ray
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發表於 2005-12-13 12:17:20 |顯示全部樓層
adidas wrote: <BR> Franky, <BR>  <BR> From the samples the SA is clearly at least as good as the ASPH and I wish I had one.  I don't mean to challenge your test but nevertheless would like to see it done again this time on a tripod perfectly leveled and with a manual body hand metered for all lenses.  I have used the SA, ASPH, pre-A, f.4.5 Biogon and feel the test isn't exactly fair because the exposures were not the same.  For example the silver and black ASPH were at least one stop off from each other and the Biogon is just too dark.  I am also interested to see how the lenses do up close maybe with the subject 10 to 20 feet away.   <BR>  <BR> Let me know how I can help.  I have the ASPH and the tripod... <BR>  <BR> Regards, Ray
<BR>  <BR> You are right Ray; the test may be a bit too rough to conclude; thats why it was in my drawer for over a year. I hope some time we can do the test again in a more precisely controlled environment. We do have every lens ready; but we simply just too lazy to finish the job.........will let you know of our next action.~~
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發表於 2005-12-13 12:36:27 |顯示全部樓層
franky wrote: <BR> [quote]adidas wrote: <BR> Franky, <BR>  <BR> From the samples the SA is clearly at least as good as the ASPH and I wish I had one.  I don't mean to challenge your test but nevertheless would like to see it done again this time on a tripod perfectly leveled and with a manual body hand metered for all lenses.  I have used the SA, ASPH, pre-A, f.4.5 Biogon and feel the test isn't exactly fair because the exposures were not the same.  For example the silver and black ASPH were at least one stop off from each other and the Biogon is just too dark.  I am also interested to see how the lenses do up close maybe with the subject 10 to 20 feet away.   <BR>  <BR> Let me know how I can help.  I have the ASPH and the tripod... <BR>  <BR> Regards, Ray
<BR>  <BR> You are right Ray; the test may be a bit too rough to conclude; thats why it was in my drawer for over a year. I hope some time we can do the test again in a more precisey controlled environment. We do have every lens ready; but we simply just too lazy to finish the job.........will let you know of our next action.~~ [/quote] <BR>  <BR> It would certainly be a lot of fun to also include the Zeiss Ikon 21mm Biogon.  Wish I can own all of them
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發表於 2005-12-13 22:37:22 |顯示全部樓層
franky wrote: <BR> [quote]adidas wrote: <BR> Franky, <BR>  <BR> From the samples the SA is clearly at least as good as the ASPH and I wish I had one.  I don't mean to challenge your test but nevertheless would like to see it done again this time on a tripod perfectly leveled and with a manual body hand metered for all lenses.  I have used the SA, ASPH, pre-A, f.4.5 Biogon and feel the test isn't exactly fair because the exposures were not the same.  For example the silver and black ASPH were at least one stop off from each other and the Biogon is just too dark.  I am also interested to see how the lenses do up close maybe with the subject 10 to 20 feet away.   <BR>  <BR> Let me know how I can help.  I have the ASPH and the tripod... <BR>  <BR> Regards, Ray
<BR>  <BR> You are right Ray; the test may be a bit too rough to conclude; thats why it was in my drawer for over a year. I hope some time we can do the test again in a more precisely controlled environment. We do have every lens ready; but we simply just too lazy to finish the job.........will let you know of our next action.~~ [/quote] <BR>  <BR> Ah!  I also have a set of Leica 21s and Biogon 21/4.5 for Contax which was modified for use with adapter to M bodies.  May be they can compliment your test. <BR> SA21/4; SA21/3.4; pre-asph 21/2.8; 21/2.8 asph; Biogon 21/4.5
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發表於 2005-12-13 22:54:42 |顯示全部樓層
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發表於 2005-12-14 00:09:09 |顯示全部樓層
For completeness, we may also test with SA21/4 for R and Biogon 21/4.5 for Contarex together.
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發表於 2005-12-26 21:00:48 |顯示全部樓層
想問問21/4.0 那支又如何? 很想知到. 是否SM  mount
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發表於 2005-12-26 23:43:34 |顯示全部樓層
tflee38 wrote: <BR> 想問問21/4.0 那支又如何? 很想知到. 是否SM  mount
<BR>  <BR> 上圖 21/4.0 [$#20010]支係 Leica "R" mount. 表現一流. 可近攝至 0.2m, 8吋. 一支好實用[$#22021]鏡.
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發表於 2005-12-27 08:33:22 |顯示全部樓層
再上那一圖中的SuperAngulon 21/4是M接口的。表現一貫徠茲味,但對耀光較敏感。雙對之下,我個人較喜歡SuperAngulon 21/3.4。
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發表於 2005-12-27 10:18:06 |顯示全部樓層
21f3.4出大景很適用 <BR> 我個人認為買好鏡一次到位,比用心在價錢,買幾顆老覺不夠好的鏡, <BR> 省錢,划算 <BR> 感謝Franky, Jesse.., <BR> 我插花 <BR> 21f3.4S.A. <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>
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發表於 2005-12-30 10:42:05 |顯示全部樓層
最後那張(好似怕林)有很重Matrix[$#20869]的Agent Smith快閃黨的感覺。
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發表於 2005-12-30 14:02:55 |顯示全部樓層
for your reference: <BR>  <BR> Leica-M 21mm ASPH vs. Contax 21mm Biogon-G <BR> http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=006IRV <BR>  <BR> Leica-M 21 SA vs. 21 preASPH Elmarit <BR> http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=002hc3 <BR>  <BR> Leica Elmarit ASPH vs. Super-Angulon f/3.4 <BR> http://www.photo.net/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=003aZa
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發表於 2006-1-1 21:02:53 |顯示全部樓層
jason.lau wrote: <BR> Thanks Franky and Jesse for the test <BR>  <BR> In terms of optical performance 3.4 SA is a sure winner. <BR>  <BR> But I personally prefer the tone of pre-asph to two asph lenses, though undoubtedly asph lenses provide more details. <BR>  <BR> Biogon 4.5 although with its smaller aperture and apparent light falloff provides a very natural tone.  I think this one has most character.
<BR>  <BR> Biogon的顏色比較淡,應該說是更真實,不似現代Contax味道,收細光圈的表現其實相當好
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